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    Danas sam primetio grinje na duginoj boi i na fulinginosusu. Ne znam da li su grinje, pošto su ova jako mala stvorenja sisala krv zmijama. Primetio sam ih na donjoj strani tela i ispod glave. Čak su mi zmije dozvoljavale da ih okrenem naopako i da im ispod glave ispod ljuski vadim te grinje ili šta su već. Sumnjam da su grinje pošto kad ih pritisnem bude krvi, a poneke su jako male kao da će tek da piju krv. Kakvi su to paraziti? Kod ostalih zmija ih nema, sve sam pregledao.
    Svi smo mi deca. Jedina razlika je u našim igračkama. Ayrton Senna

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    Ne zvuči baš dobro. Javi se Spiderboy-u, on je skoro imao taj problem. Retko se dešava kod zmija iz zarobljeništva.

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    jedan decko koji je od mene kupio neke zmij je imao isti problem, verovatno zato sto ih je drzao na zemlji za cvece. 1 smuk mu je uginuo.. rekao sam mu da ih prebaci na papir i proba sto vise da ih poubija. Njegove zmije su non stop isle u vodu. Jel i tvoje to rade?
    Life has meaning only in the struggle. Triumph or defeat is in the hands of the God's... So let us celebrate the struggle!

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    Uobičajeno Odg: grinje na zmiji?

    Ne, boa se stalno krije, slabo izlazi. a fulinginosus se ponasa normalno samo sto nece da jede.
    Svi smo mi deca. Jedina razlika je u našim igračkama. Ayrton Senna

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    Uobičajeno Odg: grinje na zmiji?

    Može biti da zbog toga neće da jede. Nego, nije smak sveta, možeš toga da se rešiš. Dobar deo ovih parazita spadne u vodi, zato se zmije i potapaju u nju. Probaj da ih kupaš stalno. Vidi sa Spiderboyom šta je on koristio, i obavezno dezinfikuj terarijume.

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    Evo ti tekst o grinjama. Nadam se da razumes engleski...
    http://www.boa-constrictors.com/com/com.html

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    “He who has no mites, has no snakes”, an experienced herper once said. Unfortunately, we would have to agree.

    It occurs from time to time that our animals are plagued by these buggers. The numerous help-seeking requests in the reptile forums online show how much trouble many keepers of boas have in dealing with this problem.

    Since following the advice given there would often times hurt the snakes more than the mites, it is time to address this topic thoroughly. The lack of information is not very surprising, as the topic “snake mites” has so far been treated rather sparingly in the literature.

    Since these parasites pose a problem with which pretty much every keeper of boas will have to deal with sooner or later, we want to discuss this topic thoroughly.



    Facts about Mites

    The snake mite (Ophionyssus natricis) occurs throughout the world. So far, approximately 250 types of mites have been identified as reptile parasites. In snakes, O. natricis is by far the most common.

    Under favorable conditions, these animals reach sexual maturity in just 3 weeks. Only a few days pass between the point in time at which the eggs are laid and at which the eggs are hatching. Life expectancy is about one year.

    Amazingly, the larval form of mites, also referred to as nymphs, can remain in a kind of inactive state for up to 3 years in unsuitable conditions.

    After each blood meal (up to 7 times), O. natricis lays 200 to 400 eggs. This quickly turns the enclosure into an exercise field of the mite army, and the snake becomes their source of nutrition. The transmission to humans is possible, and may cause purulent blisters on the skin.

    Most of the time, these parasites reach the snake enclosures via prey animals, substrate, or plants. In our experience, an especially high-risk of obtaining mites is when acquiring new snakes. This is also one of the reasons why newly acquired animals should be placed in quarantine before integrating them into an established collection.

    Mites embed themselves under the scales of the snake. They live off of the reptiles, which in a severe case can lead to anemia (lack of blood). A sign for this is a white mucous membrane (normal color: pink). Furthermore, the transmission of dangerous infectious diseases among snakes is associated with mites, since they do change hosts.
    How do I recognize mites?

    Similar to ticks, mites don’t reach a very significant size (about 1.0mm) until they have fed. Before feeding, they are often too tiny to be recognized, until the entire enclosure is infested. Therefore, the bitter conclusion: Upon the first sight of mites, the whole enclosure is already completely infested.

    In most case, the problem becomes apparent, because the snake (angered by the inactivity of its keeper) takes measures in its own hands (so to speak), and tries to drown the unwanted guests through constant soaking. The mites, fat and well nourished (and thereby well visible), appear as little black or red dots floating at the bottom of the water container.

    This already concludes their physical description, as little more is visible to the naked eye.

    At this point, the first tip: Do not use black or dark water containers for the snake to drink from and soak in. Due to the lack of contrast, you will otherwise have major difficulties in discovering the mites. The drowned buggers are well visible in white or light colored water containers.

    As owners of numerous black water containers, we know what we are talking about…

    If mites can be seen on the body of the snake with the bare eyes, the infestation has often reached dramatic proportions already. It is similar to rats: For every one that you see, there are one hundred that are hiding. Especially the inside of the snake’s retreat or the corners of the enclosure are suitable spots for the mites to hide at.

    In severely infested boas, abnormalities on the scales around the eyes can be seen, as these areas are preferred spots for mites. If the eyes of the snake appear to be severely minimized, a massive mite infestation is likely the cause.



    Fighting Mites

    An effective treatment must

    · kill the mites

    · rid the enclosure of the mites

    · kill the mite eggs

    …and all of this without hurting the reptile.

    There is a little bit of difficulty with the last aspect, because every substance has possible side effects. Therefore, we cannot guarantee that the administration of the described substances for the treatment of mites has no side effects in boas.



    Neguvon

    This substance was the pioneer in the treatment of mites, and took good care of the mites (and occasionally the snake as well). However, it is not worth discussing this substance in much detail, because Neguvon is no longer allowed in Germany, and has been taken off the market (Dr. Kirmair, veterinarian at LRA Mühldorf/Inn and reptile specialist, pers. communication).
    Olive Oil and other Oils

    Thirty or forty years ago, the pioneers of boid husbandry applied an olive oil anointing to their charges, which resulted in shiny snakes. Although the oil kills the mites by suffocation, this method is not exactly ideal for the oxygen absorption through the skin of the snake. Also, problems with the next shed are to be expected, due to a possibly insufficient level of friction. Therefore: Please do not use the oil method, even if this does get the snake rather slimy - just the way most people picture snakes in their nightmares.



    Dichlorvos

    In our opinion, Dichlorvos was the best repellant against mites on snakes and in the vivarium at all.

    It is thanks to a EU - regulation (with every passing day we grow more fond of the EU) that this substance has been removed from the market.

    Something with a similar positive effect that does not harm the boas is not available so far.

    If you know of something don't hesitate to contact us. We appreciate every hint.



    Frontline®

    The previously mentioned substances for the treatment of mites are relatively old, and science has not stopped progressing. One of the more recent products is called Frontline® (effective ingredient: Fipronil). Once again, it must be considered that Frontline® is not officially recommended for treating reptiles.

    Even though it is effective in many species of reptiles, the exact compatibility in individual species or specimens cannot be predicted. We found the way that the substance eliminates the mites to be rather interesting. Fipronil is effective on contact, hindering the GABA (=Gamma-Amino-Butyric acid) receptor in the target organism.

    What does that mean? While many toxins cause paralysis in the central nervous system, Frontline® does the exact opposite: It causes an over-stimulation. Simply put, you could say that, following contact with Fipronil, the mites are permanently bouncing off the walls at top speed in the red zone of the speed gauge until they die from exhaustion.

    As with Dichlorvos, the veteran of chemical warfare against mites, Frontline® also has no effects on the eggs.

    Olive Oil and other Oils

    Thirty or forty years ago, the pioneers of boid husbandry applied an olive oil anointing to their charges, which resulted in shiny snakes. Although the oil kills the mites by suffocation, this method is not exactly ideal for the oxygen absorption through the skin of the snake. Also, problems with the next shed are to be expected, due to a possibly insufficient level of friction. Therefore: Please do not use the oil method, even if this does get the snake rather slimy - just the way most people picture snakes in their nightmares.



    Dichlorvos

    In our opinion, Dichlorvos was the best repellant against mites on snakes and in the vivarium at all.

    It is thanks to a EU - regulation (with every passing day we grow more fond of the EU) that this substance has been removed from the market.

    Something with a similar positive effect that does not harm the boas is not available so far.

    If you know of something don't hesitate to contact us. We appreciate every hint.

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    Ridding the Enclosure of Mites

    While both snake and enclosure are practically rid of mites in one application of Dichlorvos, the Frontline® treatment requires additional measures for the enclosure. The more complex an enclosure is designed, the more difficult these measures are to implement. You should definitely consider this aspect before turning your enclosure into a miniature version of the tropical rainforest.

    First, the entire substrate must be discarded right away. Next, every piece of cage furniture that is not somehow permanently installed is to be thrown out as well; clay pots and ceramic water containers are to be heat treated in the oven.

    The spouse may vehemently protest against placing a mite-infested ceramic bowl in the oven, but no worries - once the spouse has furiously left the house after a colorful debate to run to her (recently divorced) girlfriend, you can comfortably fill up the oven after all.

    Afterwards, you mist the enclosure thoroughly with 100% isopropyl alcohol from the pharmacy. A spray bottle, like the ones used for watering plants, is best suitable for this. The alcohol kills the mites (even drink-proof specimens) as well as their eggs. After a period of several hours, the enclosure has to be aired out thoroughly and cleaned with clear water. Finally, the snake can move back in.

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    Izvini, link nije direktan pa sam ti iskopirao deo teksta....
    A ako ces da procitas sve sa sajta koji sam ti dao, idi na Captive husbandry, pa zatim na Mites.

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    i ja sam imao isti problem jer sam kupio duginu bou sa parazitima i ona ih je prenjela na bou constrictor,kupanjem si ona samo olakšava,nešto ih se potopi al večina ostane,otpadnu kad se dovoljno napiju.to je velik problem jer mogu ubiti slabiju i stariju životinju,prijatelj mi je donio iz Njemačke sredstvo protiv vanjskih nametnika na reptilima i sve se riješilo u roku od 2 tjedna.iz terarija sve van i dobro ga dezinficirati Sebacilom jer jaja ostaju po nekoliko tjedana.problem je ozbiljan al nije nerješiv,imam i kraljevskog pitona al na nju nisu išli,nadam se da češ uspješno riješiti problem

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    Ne znam ima li kad nas negde onog, cini mi se Zoo med-ovog preparata "Mites Off".
    Mozda ga ima u Pet-centru...

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    Uobičajeno Odg: grinje na zmiji?

    lekovi za to su
    Trichloorfon 8ml na 400ml vode)
    ivermectin 1/2 1% ivermektina na cetvrtinu litra

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    ja sam imao mites ili pipe kako ih kod nas neki zovu na jednom kukuruznom smuku kojeg sam doneo iz madjarske ne znam da li je već imao sve u svemu zmija je puno vremena provodila u vodi kad je bila van vode stalno se češala i rovarila videlo se da joj nešto smeta,čak se u nekim trenucima bacala po terarijumu,video sam kako šetaju po zmiji ali kad sam hteo ručno da uklonim nestali su,zavukli se ispod krljušti,ja sam koristi frontline ali oprez jer se dozira prema telesnoj težini životinje,pa sam uzeo najmanje pakovanje koje je predvidjeno za mačke i od te količine sam uzeo dve kapi i premazao preko ledja cele zmije i mogu da kažem da su paraziti nestali i sad je sve u redu.
    Inače treba posle sve dezinficirati i paziti da ne predje u druge terarijume pošto je zarazno a po nekima može čak da bude pogubno.
    ako imaš mogućnosti nabavke postoje razni preparati kao "mites off" i slično ako ne frontline pomaže

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    Uobičajeno Odg: grinje na zmiji?

    frontlajn nije dobar izbor iz jednostavnog razloga.
    ZA toplokrvne zivotinje je, sto je jedan od faktora metabolizma i nacina doziranja.
    nije dobar izbor ...gorenavedeni lekovi, nisam ih trazio ali bi trebalo da ih bude.

    kauzu vet da je bubi prasak totalno bezopasan ali vise ne verujem vet mnogocast izuzecima!

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    Za početak sam okupao zmije u mlakoj vodi, to je pomoglo. Nešto parazita sam sam iščačkao ispod krljušti i sad sam zmije prebacio u karantin. Terarijume ću jedan po jedan dezinfikovati i staviću novi treset. Sutra idem da kupim neki od preparata koji ste mi preporučili. hvala svima na brzim odgovorima.
    Svi smo mi deca. Jedina razlika je u našim igračkama. Ayrton Senna

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    žarko ja se slažem sa tobom,ali frontline mi je bila najbrža opcija pošto ostale preparate ovde u bečeju nisam našao,ali pomoglo je i zmija je sad ok,evo sad je na parenju.
    mare preporučio bih da zmiju držiš na papiru dok se skroz ne uveriš da su paraziti nestali jer je sigurno nešto od njih ostalo posle tvog tretmana kupanja itd.

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    Uobičajeno Odg: grinje na zmiji?

    ma naravno.
    kada sam se ja konsultovao sa vet bilo je u pitanju ptyozoon kulli koji je imao 15g to sto je verovatn odruga prica u odnosu na 400-500 ili koliko vec g ima tvoja tako da je margina sigurnosti mnogooooo veca

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    jeste u pravu si,kad sam došao u vet.apoteku i pitao konkretno za dichlorvos trake prodavačica me gledala velikim očima i rekla da nikad nije čula za to,sa ostalim preparatima sam isto prošao,zato sam brže-bolje pribegao frontline-u

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    Frontline odlicno resava problem sa grinjama ako se pravino upotrebljava, javi se Mare da ti objasnim kako

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    Uobičajeno Odg: grinje na zmiji?

    ako nekog zanima sta veteirnari koji se bave problematikom parazita kod reptila imaju da kazu neka procita
    understanding reptiles parasites.
    odlicna knjiga, imama tu knjigu i vise puta sma je citao. lekove koej sam naveo su oni kojima prvo treba da se posegne. nisma imao skoro probleme sa parazitima te vrste pa nisam ni trazio lekove.
    verujem da frontline moze da pomogne ali ima i objasnjenje zasto treba prvo probati sa gorenavedenim (iz mog postA)
    a to je safe margine !!odnosno sigurni opseg prilikom doziranja.
    bolje ista nego nista naravno

    kao sto treba posegnuti za panakurom pre nego ivermektinu jer je panakurov safe margine 500X i nikada nije zabelezen smrtni slucaj a ja sam uspeo da otrujem Ptyiodaktilus kulli kad mi je pedja reko da stavim fronlajn. zato ne preporucujem frontline pre nego sto se proveri da li ima lekova.
    naravno nije pedja kriv jer mozda sma ja pogresno dozirao ili ko zna sta sam jos pogresio ,ne krivim pedju .da me pogresno ne razumete svi a i ti pedjooooo
    Poslednji izmenio marko; 14.04.09. u 01:06. Razlog: Spojene uzastopne poruke

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